Posted by PatDaly at 08:40 a.m. April 27, 2011

unionproud, nice talking points.

Yep, all of us would be nowhere without having big daddy Union boss covering our backs, why we might have to excel in our fields to get ahead of the slug working right next to us.

And that ain't right you know.

Too bad you didn't have to work under the conditions that spawned the Union movement, at least then you would comprehend.

Posted by unionproud at 06:44 p.m. April 27, 2011

like i said most dont even know what a union is . i union is its members .were I WORK my local president WORKS along side me and is the first one to tell a slacker to shape up! but like i said you would not understand unless you actually worked a day in your life which i would say not.

Posted by PatDaly at 08:39 p.m. April 27, 2011

Yep, you are right, daddy paved my road to success.

Man, you lack more perception than even your moniker suggests.

Just out of curiosity, do you believe that a company could even OPERATE under the conditions that led to the formation of the Unions?

BTW, ex Teamster and GBBA member here, you know the Teamsters, any clue to what the GBBA was?

Posted by unionproud at 11:47 p.m. April 29, 2011

mr. or mrs. or ms. daly i admit defeat .how could i have been so blind. it is plain to see how outdated and unnecessary unions are today. everyone knows large corperations and multi-million dollar ceo's would never put large profits and millon dollar bonus's ahead of workers saftey and well being.and the government well hell we all know you can trust the government .when there is a budget shortfall they would never screw the workers in order to make sure they keep thier sweetheart contracts with friends and contributors,or to keep thier son ,daughter,brother in-law,sister in-law,niece,aunt,uncle,in a nice management job.never i say !! so please forgive my ignorance .i will leave this sacred forum tail tucked between my legs never to return.i leave with this parting shot keep drinking the kool-aid brother jim oops i meant to say mr.boortz is serving .keep drinking my friend

Posted by MollyWatches at 10:24 a.m. May 07, 2011

Unionproud; I'll start by saying Unions served a good purpose in the begining. 100 years ago. Course, 100 years ago blowing tobacco smoke in your ear was a good way to clear up an ear infection.

On your points:

Did the employer go into business to provide a living for other people OR did they go into business to make money? Of COURSE profit is important in the decision making process. It should be important to the employee as well - because if the owner can't make money the employee can't make money.

These days this includes employee security/safety (as it should)because if one of you poor, victimized employees spills your own hot coffee on yourself while on the job the employer is likely to end up paying out enough money to support the next three generations of your family by the time you're done with your frivolous lawsuit - let alone if you were hurt in a case of legitimate negligence on their part.

Screw the employee in a budget shortfall? Give priviledged positions to family and friends? Several thoughts here.

If there isn't money to pay two employees and one has to go, make damn sure you are the more productive. You're more likely to keep the job than not (remember, we have already agreed the evil job provider's only purpose is to make money - and they can't do that with less productive people).

If they DO give the job to friends and family... so what? It's their investment, their risk that creates the job to begin with - not yours. You risked nothing. If their choices are a bad ones based in favortism not profit, they will end up out of business and you're lucky you weren't there when the axe fell.

If you really believe the Union is this wonderful, caring protector of the downtrodden... well, you need to set down your own glass of kool-aide and there is no way - not one of the reams of evidence to the contrary - I could convince you otherwise. But I will say this much; if Unions weren't causing the incredible, unjustified drains on profit they currently cause, there would be untold thousands upon thousands of jobs created out there. You then would not have to be worried about that lousy, favortism showing, greedy SOB of an employer - because competition would FORCE them to offer a better employment opportunity or end up with nothing but schlubs being willing to take their crappy jobs.

The only thing you said I agree with is that you shouldn't rely on the Government. It just may be the first step in your recovery bud - rely on YOURSELF. THAT is how you become successful.

Posted by unionproud at 11:17 p.m. May 27, 2011

molly did you not get it when i said budget shortfall i was talking about the govenment or are you just stupid ?thier investment? i call it my tax dollars! you too its plain to see have never worked a day in your life .no spreading your legs and popping out babies doesnt qualify.you proably think dear departed ronnie was a great president too.talk about destroying american jobs he was the beginnig of the end for american manufacturing.he single handly sent all our good paying jobs to china with thier 25 cents a day child labor .just to destroy labor unions in this country.nancy proably saw it in the stars or her pyshic told her to get rid of them.ever really wonder why unions back democrats ? because its the party of working people nomatter how hard the republicans try and bulls**t otherwise .by the way i am a independent and i dont give a s**t if you believe me or not!

Posted by justsayingasalways at 11:14 a.m. November 14, 2011

Unionproud, the kool-aid you drink must be really good!

Posted by justsayingasalways at 11:13 a.m. November 14, 2011

PatDaly, thank you for what you said. If this site had a thumbs up toggle you would definitely get one from me. ;)

Posted by AAB at 09:18 a.m. May 05, 2011

I doubt if Mr. Boortz knows, or will ever know why some of us are proud Union members. When I first went into the electrical industry, it was at a Utility that had 2,500 employees (all of the same race). I and five others were the first minorities to be hired,thanks to a push from the Union..

The five of us did our jobs but until I left that utility, 25 years later, it was still a daily struggle to keep my job. Without the Unions help, that company would still be 2,500 employees of the same race.

Perhaps Mr. Boortz lives in a fairy land where bosses only look at results and do not care about race, that would be a nice world. But in the real world, there are still Foremen, Superintendents, and General Managers that would never hire a minority. Mr. Boortz would deny human nature but left to their own devices, most companines would be content to keep us hoeing their fields and pulling their cotton.

42 years in the Union that has helped give me a good living and proud of it.

Posted by justsayingasalways at 11:16 a.m. November 14, 2011

AAB, the unions have outlived their usefulness.

Posted by ConfoundedSociety at 03:41 p.m. May 05, 2011

You said it all in the last sentence... they gave you a good living. I prefer to earn a good living for myself. The extremely bigotted rant you went on before that doesn't need to be commented on.

Posted by Intensero at 09:28 p.m. May 06, 2011

What you are saying is that your a minority and when you were first hired if not for the Union you would not have gotten the Job?

If thats what your saying then that is a legit issue.

However, I have been hiring people for many positions for the last 15 years and Race never came into the equation.

This is the problem with modern Unions. We are mostly post racial in our hiring decisions now (I wont act like it doesnt happen). Therefore that part of the need for Unions is gone.

We have laws that make sure employees are treated fairly and there is a HUGE number of trial lawyers waiting for your employer to make a mistake. You don't have many companys mistreating employees.

So we don't need Unions for that.

Here is what Unions do now.

They make sure that their employees are paid higher wages and benefits than the market may demand driving up company costs, which in term drives up consumer prices.

They make sure you can't fire people(easily) who are not working out in the position you hired them for. Biggest examples are the rubber rooms for teachers.

If you don't submit to thier demands they will strike costing the biggest Untold amounts of money, which they have to make up when they are allowed to re-open.

Unions take union dues and give them to mostly democrat candidates without your permission. If you are not a democrat you are supporting the oppositions party just by working everyday.

People are suffering because jobs are moving overseas due to all the increased costs by unions and taxes. We don't need Unions in their current forms. Trade associations could perfom the same legit legal functions without the cost of unions.

Posted by AAB at 12:02 p.m. May 11, 2011

Not a bigotted rant in my last posting, a view of the real world. It depends on which side of the fence you are standing on. You remind me of a man I knew who said that if he had been born in the jungles of South America, he would have been their king.

His world view was limited by who and what he was. He thought that he was special and could have acheived his station anywhere and under any circumstances.

My union did not give me a good living, my employer did. But the union helped me stay employed and defended me against several false accusations that were designed to fire me, which made my good living possible.

There is no way to convince you that your world view is small. The only way would be for you to move to deep mexico, start with nothing and see if you became a king, earn your own good living, or join others like yourself and together, earn a good living.

Posted by ConfoundedSociety at 04:21 p.m. May 11, 2011

I guess your right... The world is racist. After all, what could a poor black child born to a single mother ever hope to accomplish in a hate filled racist country like you believe this one is...

I do find it amazing that you say you had to put up with bigotry at your job and constant attempts to get you fired and you did everything you could to stay in that job. Go find another job.

I understand why you have to insist that it's racism. Otherwise, you'd have to blame yourself.

Why the hell would I want to be a king? I provide for myself (and would have no problem doing it in the middle of a Mexican jungle.) I also would have no problem with joining others like myself. I won't find anyone like me in a union though. As I've stated, I don't mind actually working for a living.

Posted by AAB at 09:38 a.m. May 13, 2011

OK, one last attempt.

I am not saying the WORLD or this country is racist. The world is full of good, honest, hard working people that just want to take care of themselves and their families. But, if they have a choice, employers will staff their companies with people that look and act a lot like themselves.

I worked for ten years for a company in the Southwest, 140 employees, two Anglo, one Native-American. The company did great, and still does, but the owners preferred to have employees of their own ethnic background, they have that right. And as long as you are in a member of the majority in that region of the country, you have a job.

Again, it is not RACIST to point out human nature, the world is what the world is.

By the way, you jumped to the conclusion that I am a Union robot. I have been making my own living for ten years as a private contractor, but still mail off my Union dues every month to support others. I wish you luck with making your own way, and I hope you prosper. But to say "go get another job" is a simple and foolish statement. When jobs are limited, as they are now, and moving expense, a man puts up with what he has to for his family.

Posted by ConfoundedSociety at 12:27 a.m. May 14, 2011

Wow! Is this you and your wife sharing a log in or something. It's rare to see someone talk out of both sides of the faces in the same thread.

"but the owners preferred to have employees of their own ethnic background, they have that right." - Hmmm, how did you suddenly change your mind about this - "he five of us did our jobs but until I left that utility, 25 years later, it was still a daily struggle to keep my job. Without the Unions help, that company would still be 2,500 employees of the same race."

Which is it? Do companies have the right to hire who they want or should unions force companies to hire people they don't want to hire?

"When jobs are limited, as they are now, and moving expense, a man puts up with what he has to for his family." - nice to know that all of these "false accusations" happened only in the last two years. That the other 23 years you were working, the job was just fine and you didn't have to "struggle" to keep your job (you know, when the job market wasn't as "limited", since that's the excuse you are trying to use why you stayed at that job.)

And you know what... which is it? Are you a private contractor or are you trapped in a job because you can't find another one?

I run into self-centered bigots like you all the time. I pity you. You are desperate to find others to blame. It's never your fault or your responsibility. Nice to know all of those accusations against you were "false."

Posted by Doug_Huffman at 10:11 a.m. May 09, 2011

Unions are the American rendition of a Soviet collective. Bust the unions.

Do you know is what a Goon, the Sea Hag's guard (you illiterate putzes)? Kill the Goons. OK? Kill the Sea Hag's Goon guards! Are they unionized?

Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. Retire. Strike! If you moochers can't retire/strike then ask yourselves why? Atlas is shrugging.

Posted by unionproud at 07:24 p.m. May 24, 2011

what a rambling dumbass forget trying to talk to these people AAB they have thier heads to far up boortz 's ass to see the truth.

Posted by PatDaly at 03:03 p.m. May 25, 2011

And you on the other hand, have been a fountain of useful information?

Run away if you must, make sure you feel good about yourself.

Posted by unionproud at 08:52 p.m. May 25, 2011

like i said if you never did a days manuel labor you wont understand a union.in my 32 years working a have had 2 jobs both union jobs despite what dumbass boortz says about the evil unions driving companies out of buisness both me and these companies have done well.but if you want to keep eating the bull boortz is shoveling go ahead.its the blind being lead by the deaf and dumbass.the only thing boortz hears is the sound of his on bulls**t